.Doc wrote:IMHO, the big difference between liberals and conservatives lies in their personal integrity. Liberals claim to love freedom, but what they really want is total freedom from criticism. If you dare to disagree with one, you will be shut out, shouted down, and generally considered to be in the wrong -- usually due to low intelligence and evil intent. Conservatives, OTOH, usually take themselves a lot less seriously, and simply keep working toward their ultimate goal of building a strong, free, and wealthy society.
Now, I believe that liberals are more likely to misunderstand conservatives than the other way around. For instance, I have never had the inclination to discriminate against anyone for anything. Yet, many times, I have been the victim of "reverse" discrimination. I have never had the power to do anything about this, and the main impact it has had on me is to give me a deep resentment for those who would practice such discrimination. As a conservative, I believe in a merit-based society -- those who do well should be rewarded accordingly. Liberals don't see it that way -- they believe in the equalization of outcomes regardless of merit. Naturally, this has created a great deal of social decay -- much of it founded on the "victim mentality." Moreover, it continues to fuel the fires of prejudice, which is a bad thing.
I have often asked the question "What do liberals want?" I don't know. They seem to want a lot of the same things I want, they just want someone else to pick up the tab for their poor choices.
Within my lifetime, this has created a huge, government run and grossly mismanaged welfare state.
All of this made possible by politicians who calculate how to create and maintain their power base -- rather than doing what is right for the good of all.
If this mentality continues, it will be the downfall of our once-great society. I wish I could prevent that from happening, but at the end of the day, all I can do is hold on to my values, and keep working.
.Doc wrote:Yeah, you're a liberal. When liberals are faced with the truth, they always drag out that old "logical fallacies" chestnut. Take one statement I made and prove to me that it is a logical fallacy.
.Doc wrote:Well, Some Guy Here, I'm still here, so I guess that maybe I'm not so bad after all!
In your first reply, I did see you quote what I'd said, and attempt to "explain" the "logical fallacies" to me. You did about as good a job as anyone I've seen, except for one thing: You didn't convince me that I'm wrong. Then when I point this out, your reaction is to insult me and wish for my banishment. Sigh! Your post did absolutely nothing to make me change my mind about anything I said. I know you will now attribute that to my lack of cognitive ability, or some such thing. Go ahead, I can take it, and I've certainly heard it all before!
I know as much about logic as anyone else I've encountered on the internet, if not more.
Yes, I do de-merit individuals based on the integrity of certain individuals, because this is how the human intellectual process works.
We see examples of specific behavior regularly repeated by individuals or groups who fall within certain parameters, and conclude that this behavior is common to the majority of them. For example, if over half of the women I see driving vehicles are also talking on cell phones, I conclude that women tend to be inattentive drivers. Since the last vehicular accident I was involved in was caused by an 18-year old girl who was speeding, passing illegally, and talking on a cell phone at the time she hit my Paratransit bus while was making a perfectly correct and legal right turn, what am I to conclude about my previous -- and current - observations about female drivers who talk on cell phones while driving? I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been hit by a female driver who wasn't talking on a cell phone -- but since my accident, I've had a few more "close calls" with those who do! A I committing an ad hominem fallacy here? I think not. My observations have led me to a conclusion.
This conclusion leads me to behave in a particular manner whenever I observe the female motorist on a cell phone behavior. BTW, just so you know I don't discriminate on the basis of gender, I also am wary of males who use cell phones while driving, although it is my experience that they are a numerically lesser threat in my area. Your experience may vary.
Anyway, if you care to try again to convince me that you're right and I'm wrong, I'll play along. You could start by convincing me that you are not a liberal. Go ahead, give it a try. I'll be here, and I'll reply.
BTW -- I remember a time when being thought of as a "liberal" was a good thing. It usually meant that you had a humanitarian social conscience, an awareness of the misery in the world and it's causes, and a willingness to work for change. Unfortunately, the label of "liberal" has been tarnished by those who have politicized this natural human reaction to prejudice and injustice.
They have created Big Gummint in order to address these problems, but they never quite solve them, because they want you to keep voting for them.
.Doc wrote:BTW, I've seen postings such as yours before, even written a few of them myself -- right after taking a logic course in college. I hope you get that out of your system as soon as possible, and go back to a style of writing and debate which allows others to see what you really think.
NOTHING about your daughter's situation -- or anyone else's personal situation -- is the responsibility of the general public to "fix."
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
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